What PC is able to do with THREE openings will, IMO, give a good indication of HOW the program is viewed by high school players and coaches. I THINK the RC boys help pull at least one good talent from Philly and that PC convinces two good players NOT from Philly to jump on board.
Brandon Bell made everyone on the defense better. Look at what happened in the Rose Bowl when he left the game. His interception was a GREAT play, but IMO the game would have turned out differently if he had not been hurt. So I would give that INT back if I had the choice. HE was the glue in the back end, so replacing his capabilities, not so much the physical because I believe there is plenty of physical talent that can be inserted into the lineup but the MENTAL, is the biggest challenge facing the defense. That ability to recognize and make calls and adapt on the fly as plays develop. As CJF said, he was a playmaker. So can Bowen or Cabinda or Farmer or Brown or one of the others step up and be that "glue" and playmaker for this years defense? That will be HUGE.
Mea Culpa. I forgot about the injury. HOWEVER, if he makes it back to be cleared for pre-season he could be in the mix. I doubt he will be doing too much in the spring. It's only about 6 months since the injury.
Jan Johnson is going to be in the mix. Also, I'm a big Koa fan. I think he plays a LOT, and not just as a "sub". Between he and Cam, you have starter "1A" and "1B", which will be game time and match up decisions.
40 yd dash times?
3 cone drill times?
20 yd shuttle times?
Somebody didn't get that info?
Villanova is his model. Getting to the point where he has higher level talent from 1 thru 10, not just 1 thru 5 or 6, he will also have experienced leadership, not just freshman and RS freshman and sophomores. Fouls will matter less; injuries will matter less.
I think next year is a significant jump in competitiveness.
Don't screw up the recruiting by NOT doing the smart thing. And as to the money: you guys are kidding right? How much do you spend on football coaches? Show the basketball world that you value the game. Don't act like you are doing PC a favor or that the basketball team/program is the red headed stepchild. Make sure the practice facilities are at least as good as Nebraska. And fix the damn arena. NOW!!!!
Ten years. That is what I thought it would take to build the program to be consistently competitive and to see "make the doubters happy" type of success (ie "dance" bids; 20+ win seasons; a shot at a B1G title).
This was year six. He is already signed through year 8 (I think that is what you said and what my limited math skills tell me). To sign him through year 10 should be a no brainer. For all the reasons that you pointed out in the post, it is logical, reasonable, and the best course of action to continue to allow him to build.
For the record, I hate waiting; for ANYTHING. So it is not my nature to be patient. Given what it is you want, HOW you are willing to achieve it (success with honor), AND what is required to achieve it, you have to be patient. Do yourself a favor: suck up the frustration and do what is best for the long term: WAIT. BE PATIENT. Trust the process!!!! (Hinkie is watching (maybe :-) )
If his leg holds up, he will get Gilman in the final. Here's hoping.....!!!!!!
Dan, it's cool that you follow stuff like this blog and take the time to comment. First of all, really glad your kid and all the UM kids are OK. Scary stuff.
As to the commentary about the other PSU bigs, you have to remember that most of these guys commenting here, if not all of them, NEVER say either of those other guys play. What you are hearing is the "didn't see it therefore it didn't happen AND it was OLD news". NEW is always better than old!! :-)
I did see them play a few games, and IMHO Watkins is already better. You've forgotten more than I know about the game so consider my opinion with that in mind. Again, glad your son is ok.
As my daddy used to say, "god willing and the creek don't rise.....". IF he comes through next year in good health my guess is he weighs around 230 and runs a 4.30; he does 35 reps at 225; he verts 38 or better; he broad jumps 11 feet. He has the possibility of exploding their heads with his workout results. That's after he runs for 1600 yards and catches 25 passes for 600 yards.
Ross was ridiculous. But I have already tweeted Mayock twice about his "rating" or non-rating of Godwin, asking him how he rated Godwin now. I also sent him the link to the analytics that show how accomplished Godwin is.
I agree with what Florio said at PFT: where did Chris go several times over the last 2 years. 2015 you can completely throw out because it was Donovan's offense. But last year there were games where he seemed to disappear. Was it the defensive scheme? Was it the routes he had on the plays that were called? It would be a good exercise for bscaff over at BSD to analyze.
But between the bench, the vertical and broad jump and 40, Godwin has opened a lot of eyes. If he continues to impress with the last few drills IMO he is going to be a late 1st round/early 2nd round selection.
I predicted (by voting in the poll several times) that he would run SUB 4.5 (so 4.4 to 4.49). The REASON I predicted it is because of one play in the Rose Bowl. I looked at it about 20 times. That play was the touchdown on the tip when he went deep, when he was lined up split left. If you watch that tape, he has the corner beat by at least a step when he turns back to the ball. If McSorley had gotten the ball deeper he would have made the catch and scored going away. It was press coverage, he beat the corner easily on an outside release, and they both started running up the field together and Godwin got separation. And not just on any corner, but on a USC corner. I like the kid from Western Michigan, and I like the kid from Clemson, but I think Godwin is right there with both of them. How he isn't in Mayock's top 5 is ridiculous.
Mix and match. With the talent on the O line long grinding soul stealing drives and occasional successful deep balls every game will create the ultimate conundrum for defensive coordinators. The cool thing is the variety and quality of receivers and running backs AND quarterbacks. No matter what happens the depth means they can do it game after game after game.
If this upcoming team prepares properly and goes into the season with the right mindset they will be dangerous, I don't care WHO they play.
I watched the TD catch multiple times. I got the following from that one play:
1. He got off the line against press coverage really well. Looked easy.
2. He was getting separation deep. He had the corner beat by a step which, given it was against a USC corner, I'm guessing that guy has some speed. Good sign.
3. Godwin saw the ball, read it immediately, and adjusted back to high point the ball. He EARNED that catch and TD.
So to summarize: he beat coverage off the line; he beat coverage deep; ball was under thrown but he adjusted back and made a great play for the catch and TD.
Beating that corner was a significant indicator to me that makes me think he will be successful in the NFL. I think he has work to do on his route running, particularly how he uses his eyes and head to create space and opportunity on his routes.
IF the coach has the experience coaching high level talent and exposure to high level competition he claims to have, his evaluations should make a lot of people comfortable with what PSU is getting. He has OLDER brothers with high level experience. THAT is significant because he has to be used to fighting for everything he gets. There's a lot to like.
The long term trend for the program is UP. Franklin has proven to be both a good coach ("great" remains to be seen over time; the possibility is there) and an excellent PROGRAM manager. The PROGRAM is equal to any in the country.
As to recruiting, as Lombardi said "what the hell is going on out there?"..... I say that in regards to DT recruiting. WHERE IS THE 5* DT recruit? You guys need at least ONE of those. Everything I read on every site has ALL the excellent DT recruits in the area going someplace else. That needs to be fixed.
Finally, in regards to the "fluke" win over OSU because of a SPECIAL special teams play. Wasn't it another PSU-OSU game that was decided by 1) an interception that WASN'T an interception (ball hitting the ground)? AND 2) a field goal that took place AFTER the play clock EXPIRED that was ALLOWED by the officials? WHOEVER wants to continue to scoff at how "legitimate" the win over OSU was during this past season needs to learn that SPECIAL TEAMS matter. That plays made during a field goal attempt or an extra point or a punt or a kickoff count and matter just as much as a defensive play or an offensive play (which interestingly enough occur on EVERY play; it ONLY depends on which team you are a fan of, as to which it is!!!!).
The 6ers got it right: TRUST the process.
PSU got it right. No one lost a scholie. No one has panicked or rushed as PC built the relationships at the high schools and AAU teams.
Maybe things go REALLY well and the next 3 years are super successful. Reality is, as pointed out by Matt, that these are kids, and each of the next 3 recruiting classes all start out as FRESHMEN. The Al McGuire rule applies: the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores :).
By year ten of PC's project you will have what you have wanted for a long long time. Capable, competitive, consistent, respectable. All while keeping to your credo: SWH.
Woohoo!!! Two in a row. Nebbie game could make the season. That is going to be a TOUGH one.
I'm on record now: DEFENSE will determine that game. PSU HAS to come out and play their best defensive game of the year, and they will win the game. I hope they come out with an edge and an attitude. No easy buckets. NO cheap offensive rebounds or second chances. No easy looks. Talk and move and fight through screens. NASTY m2m.
You know how frustrating it is to coach. I know how frustrating it is. HOPEFULLY after remarks/observations like this from a coach at a school that interacts directly with PC AND is coaching D1 prospects, Lion will temper his remarks and MAYBE give some credence to the opinion that PC is close to having PSU be truly competitive.
A light went on for me a couple of days ago. I think the goal is the same type of "program" as Villanova and Michigan State. It's not built around "one and done", and will require junior and senior leadership from players that improve and progress each year. Right now they are lacking the overall depth AND the experience. As you note, it will come.
I'm looking for a comment from OldLion.....
I took some time and looked at some of this years 4 and 5 star recruits, particularly one 5* that signed with Alabama. Tarburton, to my untrained eye, appears as fast, as quick, as aggressive, as hard (or harder) a tackler, and just as good in pass coverage. Maybe my eyes are too old; maybe the way I see it is crazy, but this kid is a LOAD. He is taller and heavier than that 'bama cruit too.
I'm impressed. And I am totally befuddled. How can you be that big, that aggressive, and that athletic and only be a three star?
You get out of that bad habit if you play enough pick-up games and get tired of getting the ball swatted back in your face. You learn that your jump shot HAS to come from a higher release point. The way he appears to be shooting it now defenders can close him out from at least 1-2 feet further away. I'm going to go back and look at the tape again, particularly from the perspective of what you point out: "the wind-up", paying attention to when he receives the ball to the time it leaves his hand.
I've watched Lonzo Ball at UCLA three times now, and I have NO idea how he makes his shot work, so maybe this is an unnecessary concern.
Your observations and conclusions are accurate if considered in a vacuum. if taken in the context of a plan, those observations are exactly in line with where you would expect a young team with good talent (but not the level, across the board that you want to have) to be when competing in the B1G. Put the play in context of whatever plan PC is working from and toward, and it looks (to me anyway) quite a bit different.
If, as I think, he is working to build the type of roster and program that Villanova has, he is still at least 2-4 years away from US seeing what his version of that looks like, from the style of play, quality of play, and roster makeup. Since he just got his first significant recruits on-campus and onto the court this year, saying "1 more year" is short sighted. IMO the ONLY way you see if this will be successful long term is to see what the product looks like in 3 years. Will he continue to recruit successfully? Has the quality of play improved? Have the kids gotten better year to year?
From building a foundation of the first five years, to transitioning that to a successful and sustainable program over the next five. You know where your program was when he got here. Ten years to go from the outhouse to a nice 4 bedroom in a nice suburb; You wouldn't take that, when all you have to do is be patient?
Maybe Chambers isn't able to close the deal. Maybe he just can't do the game coaching as well as he does all the other aspects of the HC gig. I don't think it is fair to assess that until he has completed the process he embarked on: when he has the players, when they have been in the program for at least 3 years, when they have played the system and worked each year getting better. Again, my opinion, I can see where he is going, and it makes sense.