Penn State 70, Maryland 64: Philly Freshmen Shine in Needed Upset

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sean_'s picture

I.... um.... well then. Carry on.

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Milkman23's picture

Weeeeell!!!!  Wasn't that special???  I thought so!!! (I'm channeling "church lady")

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ForTheGlory's picture

As I noted in another thread with this team “Expect "unexpected" wins and improbable losses due to their youth.”

I guess beating Maryland falls in the "unexpected" win category.  Kids will just drive you crazy!

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OLDLIONofNYC's picture

I said it somewhere else. This is great, but we've seen this before. Can't get excited until they show some consistency. if they can somehow make the NIT, that will make me feel better.

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Rob Dougherty's picture

The NIT isn't outside the realm of possibility but is quite unlikely in my eyes. That Rutgers loss killed them. If we were 14-11/6-6, we'd look at our remaining schedule and think that 3-3 is quite doable (I can't imagine we'd be left out of the NIT with a 9-9 conference record). We need to beat Ohio State at home (doable), likely steal one of Purdue or @ Minnesota (not likely), and win 2 out of 3 of @ Illinois, @ Nebraska and @ Iowa (not impossible, but hard for me to imagine this team taking care of business on the road). 

But I'm quite excited for this win. The team responded after an awful performance, it's the signs of a team not giving up and the signs of a team that's growing. 

OLDLIONofNYC's picture

This team has gotten us excited before, but then blown it. Last year they had an outside shot at the NIT after winning 3 in a row but blew a game at home against Northwestern late in the season. Every year the team has a costly loss. Don't think they will make it this year either and I don't think Chambers is the long term answer. We'll see next season and hoping against hope that Chambers proves me wrong next season.

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Dan Smith's picture

There is plenty of time to stress over the NIT if and when they drop some games down the stretch. There will be a whole offseason to worry about next season and the long-term future of the program.

Why choose now? They won against a ranked team despite the upperclassmen playing poorly. Last night was a positive, let's just enjoy it.

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OLDLIONofNYC's picture

Not stressed, just disappointed (that Rutgers loss totally killed them). Actually, I did predict that they would probably just miss the NIT before the season. Disappointed more at the constant inconsistency...you know very well that they could get blown out at Illinois over the weekend...it is just the way that teams under Chambers perform...consistently inconsistent.

If you want me to say "satisfied" instead of "happy"; I'll make this much clear, get to an 8-10 record in the B1G and I will be alright with it. Represents a slight improvement over last season. Do I believe they make the NIT...no, but there is slight hope.

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Milkman23's picture

First of all, I read your complaints and it is disturbing, and I want to yell at you.  But the frustration of "inexplicable" losses is understandable when taken as individual incidents.  Holistically, when looking at the where the "program" is at this juncture, it makes a ton more sense, but I still get the disappointment and angst you express. I think you are completely off base and prematurely impatient, and as you know have been arguing for patience.  While I was stating the need for patience, I was not, in my own small pea brain, not cognizant (to me) of the "plan" Chambers was working to implement.  I think I have figured it out.  If I have it makes good sense, it will take more time, and hopefully (if correct) provide the results you want.

What I figured out is this: PC wants to have the same type of situation that Villanova has: ie players that stay for 3 or 4 years.  Players that are good, that can improve each year, and that elevate the overall quality of play of the team.  "One and dones" are out of the reach of PSU at this time.  That still leaves a lot of quality players out there that can be considered, that would be capable of improving year after year for a 4 year period.  He runs the Villanova style of offense.  He is getting them to play the same style of defense.  He needs to them to get better at it each of the next 3 to 4 years (Zemgulis MIGHT be a classic example if he becomes the shooter they thought he was by next year), while during that time he recruits at the same level that brought the Philly kids.  The depth gets better.  The kids already here get better, and more mature and stronger, and improve on the level of execution at both ends of the floor.  THIS is year one of that starting to manifest itself.

Maybe, someday (I have said this previously), the "one and done" superstar picks PSU and the game changes.  But as Jay Wright found out and has stated repeatedly, that really isn't "Villanova basketball", that it isn't what his program and his team and the university are about.  I think Chambers wants to do the same thing and has been building towards it since he got to PSU.  I think I understand what he is trying to accomplish (in the broadest sense) and it makes sense for PSU.  A whole lot of good players, playing together and growing year after year, and consistently competing at a high level is achievable and sustainable.  

Will they make the NIT this year?  Maybe.  But more importantly will they continue to grow, will they impress even if they don't win, and will it attract the recruits PC needs to keep his plan on track?  That's what you need to worry about.  IMO the Philly kids are fully invested.  It will make a difference to those potential recruits considering PSU and should allow PC to continue building.  PATIENCE!!!!

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OLDLIONofNYC's picture

Never said I wanted "one and done" superstars to choose PSU and though I am impatient, I'm willing to give it one more season with Chambers, something I have repeated often.

But nothing can change the fact that they have no consistency on the court from one game to the next; they have no identity and seem to just do want they want out there. They take a tremendous amount of bad shots and are generally sloppy in their play. A lot of bad decision making from Shep and Banks, which should not be happening at this stage of their careers. All this is on the coaching. 

There will be games against St. John's, MSU, GT and Maryland, but too often there aren't. Additionally, Shep and Banks continue to look bad out there and it makes me worry about the development of the frosh. Obviously, mistakes and growth are expected, but we've given Chambers 6 seasons now and the results are the same...his teams don't show growth in most areas. Maybe in overall defense which has gotten better the last two seasons, but that is it. Next season is it for me. Chambers is all talk and very little action. The one thing he does pretty well is recruit, but again, I have seen very little interest from 2018 kids....not a good sign; And if he can't do that, why bother keeping him after next season?

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Milkman23's picture

Your observations and conclusions are accurate if considered in a vacuum.  if taken in the context of a plan, those observations are exactly in line with where you would expect a young team with good talent (but not the level, across the board that you want to have) to be when competing in the B1G.  Put the play in context of whatever plan PC is working from and toward, and it looks (to me anyway) quite a bit different.

If, as I think, he is working to build the type of roster and program that Villanova has, he is still at least 2-4 years away from US seeing what his version of that looks like, from the style of play, quality of play, and roster makeup.  Since he just got his first significant recruits on-campus and onto the court this year, saying "1 more year" is short sighted. IMO the ONLY way you see if this will be successful long term is to see what the product looks like in 3 years.  Will he continue to recruit successfully?  Has the quality of play improved?  Have the kids gotten better year to year?

From building a foundation of the first five years, to transitioning that to a successful and sustainable program over the next five. You know where your program was when he got here.  Ten years to go from the outhouse to a nice 4 bedroom in a nice suburb;  You wouldn't take that, when all you have to do is be patient?

Maybe Chambers isn't able to close the deal.  Maybe he just can't do the game coaching as well as he does all the other aspects of the HC gig.  I don't think it is fair to assess that until he has completed the process he embarked on: when he has the players, when they have been in the program for at least 3 years, when they have played the system and worked each year getting better.  Again, my opinion, I can see where he is going, and it makes sense.

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DanDakich's picture

Ten years... #trusttheprocess

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