5 Postgame Thoughts: Ohio State

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Gmac14's picture

I mean, the play call has to be thought number 1. Nothing else really matters other than that. 

Missed field goal. Missed opportunities. Not being able to be up by more at halftime after completely shutting osu down. Poor tackling. Not being able to make a solid defensive call against a screen pass. Really poor play calling overall on offense (that’s what they came up with for tommy Stevens?). Can’t hold a lead  

But it’s all about the 4th down call. The coaching staff out thought themselves. You gotta put the ball in traces hands. As simple as that. 

This one hurts. Bad. The season isn’t over. By any means. But this one is going to hurt for a long time. 

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Puzio's picture

Play call was 1a for me. #1 was dominating the entire first half and only being up 6. We gameplanned them perfectly, executed that gameplan, and then couldn't put points on the board. If it had been 28-0 at halftime, like it should've been, that game would've been over. 

Missed FG was a true freshman who hasn't gotten many opportunities this year to get it going and was from over 40 yards... I would've liked to have seen us go for it there instead, but I like that he showed his confidence in the young kicker, who didn't miss the rest of the game. 

I think Tommy Stevens was just a matter of him not being where they had hoped he would be. He'll be a weapon again, but I think he tried to come back and make an impact too soon. 

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Hovenaut's picture

In with my respect...that was a helluva game, again.

I know the loss stings, but my hats off to Trace McSorley...that kid played out of his mind last night.

Best of luck the rest of the season, PSU.

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BlackKnight's picture

What else can be added, the two biggest plays of the fourth quarter the ball was taken out of Trace McSorleys hands: The two point extra point play and the 4th and 5. Even the earlier 4th down play when the ball was batted down was very questionable. This coaching staff does not have the ability to win the close games against elite teams, and it is becoming evident they never will. Maybe an experienced elder needs to be brought on board to inject some real strategy and ability to to adapt quickly to changes in another teams plays. This doesn't mean Franklin has to go but whoever is advising him and the advice he is getting has to stop. If Franklin is ignoring his staff and doing this stuff on his own then that opens a whole new can.  The fans that packed the stadium deserve better, these 4th Qtr. chokes are now becoming the norm, the kids played their hearts for 3 1/2 quarters. They need real coaching to be able to finish and its NOT happening.

GDW

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Puzio's picture

Franklin is THE reason why we're even here. Does he need to tweak a few things? Yeah, and nobody is more aware of that than Franklin himself. That doesn't mean, however, that we "don't have the ability to win close games against elite teams" and it definitely doesn't mean we never will. I have just as much faith in Franklin and his staff as ever. 

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Craig Fitzgerald's Biggest Fan's picture

The game only boiled down to needing a last minute 4th and 5 position because Ohio State had the DL depth to survive losing their best player, and we didn't have the DL depth to handle the ejection of a a backup DT. I'm hesitant to blame the loss on a single playcall, where it's just a massive difference between the two programs still.

We haven't been recruiting at an elite level for nearly as long as OSU, and until you're 50+ minutes into a game going hard every play it doesn't show up. It really explains the musical chairs Pry has been playing all year, just trying to find the right group of guys we can trust to put in when the starting 4 need a rest. We couldnt find the horses to do that by game 5, but I suspect in 2-3 years we'll be able to. It's just a shame that deep defense in a few years won't have Trace as QB.

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psuwxman's picture

I don't even think it's 2-3 years away... this is a young team that will lose very little to graduation (though we'll see who declares early and transfers in the offseason). There are 13 players running out of eligibility and only 4 or 5 of those are key starters.... of course, one of those losses will be a three-year starting QB who will likely have almost every PSU passing record when he leaves.

But on defense, it's Oruwariye, Scott, and Farmer. Everyone else who gets PT that matters (again, assuming no declarations or transfers) is staying.

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thekmosh's picture

Thank you! I am sick of hearing about that 4th and 5 play call. With everyone in the stadium expecting Trace to get the ball, your star receiver out of the game, and a back who has ben playing lights out all year, it makes sense.

That deep defense in 2 years is going to have perfect Sean Clifford. Think about that. 

Sean "The Big Red Dog" Clifford to Daniel "Curious" George, the PBS Connection

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BlackKnight's picture

You can be sick all you want but for the majority of the game we dominated an elite team. The 4th down play is now the worst play call in PSU history. OSU had 2 DB's out,  a D lineman had just hobbled off the field and we ran a straight dive play into a 7 man front. Watch the tape., we didn't block anyone. We had man to man coverage all over the field. The point remains we took the ball out of McSorleys hands, their is no excuse for that.  Don't be surprised if recruiting isn't hurt over this regardless of the atmosphere.

GDW

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Craig Fritz's picture

Why would recruiting be hurt? That was the best full-game atmosphere I've ever experienced at Penn State. It was outrageous. There was the best collection of talent in perhaps program history watching. 

Gmac14's picture

Agreed. I think this showed how close we are to Ohio State and I think recruiting just keeps getting better and better. Also, that post game speech from Franklin was directed at the recruits at the game. 

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Matt de Bear's picture

We've touched on this before, but the results of an individual game are virtually meaningless when it comes to recruiting. Nothing that happened on Saturday is going to negatively impact Penn State's recruiting in a meaningful way.

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BlackKnight's picture

I said don't be surprised, I hope it isn't but a coach or parent with a recruit there could very well wonder if that is the best program for his recruit. The coaching is not elite (yet????) how can the program become elite?

GDW

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Matt de Bear's picture

I will be remarkably surprised. 

And how does a program get from great to elite? More elite players.

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Craig Fritz's picture

Obviously coaching decisions get magnified in such a tight game, but some of the calls and throws were gorgeous, and the players didn't execute. 

ForTheGlory's picture

I gave the same talk to my son after his rant about the last play call. The lads have to catch the ball, no excuse for the drops on perfectly placed passes that should have led to TDs.

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Culpering's picture

Franklin's reputation has always been.    Great recruiter, takes the lump in big games

Culpering

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Puzio's picture

He's won quite a few big games. He's also younger than guys like Meyer AND he's recruited less depth, yet he keeps playing close games against him. Sounds to me like he'll be just fine.

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