Can't argue or discuss so insult. Typical.
Been there done that at multiple positions. We need balance. Just take a look at all these top five lists. Despite recency bias, the lists tend to be dominated by players more directly linked to previous staffs than the current one despite the current team allegedly being much more talented. I do think it more than simply player development but that is a big part of it.
S&P + is regressive nonsense. I do mean that in a statistical sense. It is mostly garbage almost indistinguishable from common sense. It does a solid job looking backwards. Not good. Not great. No better than the average X and O sports writer. Essentially much ado about nothing.
No problem with the number one choice. At number two I am slotting in Trevor Williams. At #3 I have D’Anton Lynn, perhaps the most under-rated starter in the last ten years followed by Reid and Campbell.
I would bump Marcus Allen a spot in favor of Famous Amos and toss Garrett Taylor from the list for Jordan Lucas.
I have a pretty serious disagreement with this list. For as good as Parsons was in 19, it isn’t as good as Hodges was in 11 or 12. I wouldn’t put him ahead of Mauti either. He has a long way to go given some of the players we had in the first half if the decade. Let’s see if he can match Gerald Hodges or Mike Mauti next season before even discussing if he can compare to Those that came the decade before.
1. Gerald Hodges
2. Mike Mauti
3. Brandon Bell
4. Mike Hull
5. Jason Cabinda
For me, this one is the hardest one. I think I have to put Jordan Hill at #1. He was miscast playing the 1 technique during Devon's still time but was the best 1 we had the decade. He really took off in 2012 after Still left putting together the best season I have seen a Penn State have at the position. At #2 I have Anthony Zettel followed by Devon Still, Austin Johnson and Robert Windsor.
Agree on all accounts. Mahon was much better at tackle but got caught up in Donovan’s incompetence like so many others early in his career.
Other than order, the top three are the top three. I would consider Smith at #1, but have no problem with him at #2. Beyond that, it is the shoulda woulda coulda game. Had Ryan Bates stayed inside at guard, I think he probably would be a lock for top two, maybe top three. He was solid outside but way better inside. Mahan was moved around too much to really settle in stunting his development. Andrew Nelson is another candidate for honorable mention. When healthy, we was a solid tackle but would have been better served playing inside.
Matt Lehman deserves a spot.
While I agree that Brown didn't hit his potential in State College, I would argue that he was the only receiver on the 2010 and 11 teams that defensed game planned for. Not quite the same but In a similar situation, Deon Butler was a good player, but most of his records were the result of the attention Derrick Williams drew every time he set foot on the field. Numbers aren't everything and tend to be highly misleading when not put in context.
I would put MRob, Darryl Clark and Hack well above Trace. Numbers aren't everything and none of our other players played in a simple stat inflating offense where defenses didn't game plan around the QB.
It is because he is not a running back. O'Brien moved him there out of necessity but quickly turned him into a receiving back. He was probably awesome in practice where there is little contact but in a game, he was usually a liability. Couldn't block, couldn't break tackles. Went down on first contact far too easily.
While it is true this was the worst line of the Limegrover era, it wasn't bad or even mediocre. Rahne's play calling was frequently poor compounded by the fact that he didn't adjust the offense that was built for Trace McSorley and Tommy Stevens to fit the talents of a mobile pro-style QB.
2a. Zack Zwinak
2b. Miles Sanders
4. Evan royster
5. Journey Brown
Bill Belton was the defacto starter for two years but I would put Akeel Lynch and Noah Cain ahead of him on the list.
Was there any doubt? Absolutely given Trace's 2018 performance. And no, Trace is not the best ever to do it in a Nittany Lion uniform. If we are talking single season, I have Matt McGloin as the easy #1. Career? Christian Hackenberg who played the best game I have ever seen a Lion QB play in his final season under Bill O'Brien and then carried the offense single-handedly through the Donovan years. Sean Clifford's 2019 was better than Trace's 2018 in my opinion. Overall, I'll go 1a. McGloin, 1b. Hackenberg, 2, McSorley, 3. Clifford for the full time starters.
I think the improvements mostly came during the scripted portion of the game plan, not during the live portion where he had to react on the fly. I saw a little bit of improvement but not sure how much was due to other factors.
Do you think it is an accident that Gross-Matos and Parsons had the best day as a Lion today? Here is a hint, in case you missed it we ran a lot of 3/4.
Fordon? As for McSorley, I was proven right. And honestly, he has nothing to do with this conversation. Why bring him in. We are talking about the OC needing to move the offensive philosophy to watch the talent on hand, which Rahne couldn't or wouldn't do this past year costing us a possible playoff spot.
That might be the dumbest comment ever.
Don’t like what I have to say and can’t argue so you insult. Says a lot about you.
You are right, it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong, but my track record is pretty darn good. As far as signs, did you listen to the player responses when asked if they were disappointed they didn't make the Rose Bowl? They were pretty telling. I think they are very disappointed they didn't get the Rose Bowl and aren't playing on New Years Day. On top of that, we play Memphis who is going to be ten kinds of fired up. We would have a hard time with them if we showed up ready to play. We can't play half a game and expect to win. How often have we shown up ready to play in such games? The one big thing in our favor is Rahne not calling the plays. We have a shot at surprising them.
I hope I am wrong but we have all the signs of the team that is disinterested in their bowl destination. A team that can play with us regardless of situation and wants to be there.
You have it backwards. DC was better in every way, he just didn’t have the luxury of playing in a stat inflating spread offense where a 1AA dual threat QB could top 50% completion percentage with ease.